Penn & Teller: Bullshit — Intelligent Design
Penn & Teller debunk Intelligent Design as a possible scientific theory, even while it is being added to science curricula across the U.S.
This program originally aired back in March of 2003, and Cobb County’s “intelligent design” policies were stricken down by a federal judge in Atlanta as unconstitutional in 2005.
But, scientifically speaking, creation is not a theory. It’s not even a hypothesis. It can’t be disproven. Hell, I’m not sure it can even be tested. Evolution was a hypothesis. Supporting evidence was gathered and it became a theory. For nearly 150 years it’s been tested and has not been disproven. Sure we’ve made adjustments and corrections, but the core concept remains.
Evolution will never advance beyond a theory in science, because it’s impossible to prove. That’s how the scientific process works. The more we fail to disprove a theory, the more likely its accuracy. People are free to believe in creation, but it can’t be a scientific theory because you can’t devise an experiment to disprove it. It cannot be tested. This makes it useless, whether true or false. Evolution theory can be used to make predictions and advances. So long as those predictions and advances hold up, the truth of the theory is actually fairly irrelevant, though it is obviously strengthened each time it is successfully used.
It’s always possible that something will come along and throw a wrench in our ideas on evolution and we’ll need to *ahem* evolve new ways of thinking.
What I don’t think ID/Creationism proponents ever really contemplate is this… Do you believe in survival of the fittest? Do you believe that an animal that is better suited to its life and environment will produce more successfully/frequently than one that is less well suited? To me, that’s just simple logic and observation. Of course it will. It’s no different than the best college basketball team making it through March madness and taking the NCAA championship. Yes, in any given season the best team might have a bad game at a bad time, but on average over the course of years, the best teams come out on top.
Now if you’ve accepted that, the logical next step is that those animals with advantages will pass those advantages on, and over time that can shift the attributes of the species.
We see evolution happen all the time, but opponents choose to ignore it. New strains of influenza pop up every year, for example.
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you’re a bonehead (said with a kind smile
i’m not going deep into it here, but the evidence (available to all) is best interpreted via a creationary view rather than teh evolutionary paradigm
you cited evidence (actually you didn’t specify much) but we all have the same evidence
variants of influenza is the best you can offer
variations, my dear watson, variations — and ultimately still flu (which are virii, btw, and not even technically living
lots more to be said, but gotta go, gotta go
but if you really wanna play, give me a shout (see email above) and we can discuss it privately or publicly (the latter being preferred, better use of time; say it once many hear
latah
If evolution is not true explain the skin color of people. To my understanding, the garden of eden was allegedly in Babylon (Modern day Iraq). So all life started in the middle east. Most people in the middle east have a darker skin complexion. How is it that people who moved to cold climates have lighter skin and people who moved to warmer climates have darker skin. How did they end up having a skin color more acclimated to their enviroment. If God changed their skin color why doesn’t he change the skin color of white people in Sudan or black people in Canada? How do bacteria become resistant to antibiotics over time. Why are there 100 Million year old dinosaur bones in the ground. Why did god create a species of humanoids that we know as Neanderthals who died out 24,000 years ago, 18,000 years before the universe existed. Is god playing a prank? Why would he do something to make us not believe in him. Sounds like a bad idea to me, but a perfect god can’t make a mistake. He could not possibly do something wrong as that would make him imperfect and thus he could not exist. But he has made lots of mistakes in our DNA coding. People carry many genes that are far from perfect. Why would god create Down Syndrome, Chron’s disease, cystic fibrosis, and the dreaded homosexuality. That’s right, god must have created homosexuality, unless animals have the cognitive skills to decide to be gay.
I have read the bible, at one point in my life I wanted to be a pastor. But eventually my reasoning skills won out and I was able to see that the bible does not make sense. I don’t mind if people have a religion, some people have a need to feel like somehow our little speck of dust in this near infinite universe is important. I believe that we aren’t all that important but I would like for us to survive. I don’t want all the work we’ve all done to be for nothing. But I’m not going to wait for some magical god zombie (Jesus) to swoop down to Earth trumpets blaring to take me to heaven for all eternity. People who won’t accept science because of their ignorance are holding back human kind. The bible says a lot of things, why do Christians insist on picking they like. The bible says that if a person wears clothing made out of two kinds of cloth they should be stoned. I’m wearing a polyester/cotton blend sweatshirt, do you really think that’s a reason to hit me in the face with a rock?
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you’re a bonehead (said with a kind smile
i’m not going deep into it here, but the evidence (available to all) is best interpreted via a creationary view rather than teh evolutionary paradigm
you cited evidence (actually you didn’t specify much) but we all have the same evidence
variants of influenza is the best you can offer
variations, my dear watson, variations — and ultimately still flu (which are virii, btw, and not even technically living
lots more to be said, but gotta go, gotta go
but if you really wanna play, give me a shout (see email above) and we can discuss it privately or publicly (the latter being preferred, better use of time; say it once many hear
latah
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A brilliant dissertation from the perpetually ignorant camp of religious dogma. Your comments are ignorant and baseless. The best creationist can offer are baseless assertions, strawman arguments, circular logic and sarcasm and personal attacks. Please provide evidence for creation. The whole world is waiting. Perhaps you also need to review the judges summary for the Dover trial.
commenter mike wrote:”the evidence (available to all) is best interpreted via a creationary view”
Although we all unfortunately interpret using our limited perception of reality, what science is is taking observable evidence, documenting and forming a hypothesis or theory based on that evidence. “interpretation via a creationary view” is exactly what harms science and other systems of learning. Most of us thankfully don’t look at weather from a “creationary” view any longer, where we used to blame and murder people because their ‘witchcraft’ caused storms or droughts in the village. It was a real problem. We feel safer from many things, so many of us just accept the chaos of the weather system. We plan for it, we try to use barriers where we can. We move out of unsuitable environments. Intelligent people don’t say, God hates that island so he always bombards it with storms and tsunami waves because the people there were sinners.” We say “that island is inhabitable based on it’s location and frequency of dangerous ocean activity.” That’s the observable truth. The sentence before is based on false creationist view, a poor conclusion. These conclusions still pervade in many ways in our society.
The creationist view point is not one from observed evidence. It is one that takes wishful thinking and is biased from a human point of view. Intelligent design is tempting to some because many of us have a hard time grasping that the universe may have just always been there, and that energy renews itself through a massively long process of expansion and contraction. So we assume, just like we can make things with our hands, and we can grow plants from seeds and make children that the universe must have a single creator. And of course we personalize it, we compile books and do all this other inventiveness around the creator, giving it window dressing, sweet attractive human characteristics. And let’s not forget, “sin”
ID opens the door to all kinds of interpretations based on again wishful thinking. We look around us and see all kinds of fortune, ironies, luck and we think, that god must be smiling on us or punishing us. We need to share ideas based on evidence, not just the ideas themselves. No evidence suggests the blanket statement that a god is some sort of being, has a streaming connection to our thoughts and made choices that created our world today.
Let’s say it were true. That a god created all this, and installed all sort of flaws, used some of the same “tools” to create shared commonalities between man and animals. Left behind fake fossils to trip up people to improve their faith? Purposely created a human body that’s not perfect, that is vulnerable to so much.
I look at all the flaws and imperfections, and see the strength of life to overcome stuggles by changing over time. Evolving not to perfection, but to adaptability to the environment it’s in.
Doesn’t matter if it can’t be tested or observed. Also, it’s silly to think that people have knowledge to which this god approves or disapproves of behavior. People have taken a wishful thought, turned it into this massive system with all these pseudo certainties that no one can prove. You have to teach people what can be proved. Otherwise, it’s a damn opinion at best. At worst, many creationist views are lies.
Science approaches it easily. A theory or fact proven by science can be tested now, just as it can be tested in 100 years or was tested 50 years ago and the same result is expected. It’s simple.
People don’t appreciate it as much because they don’t see the “mystery’ in all of it. People love mysteries and they go towards the profound. But science actually does have a zillion mysteries and amazing discoveries and benefits to society. But it takes real work. It takes being able to separate your symbols of reality, spoken and written word, and using them honestly to document results. It’s harder than you think. It’s perception to say “this is red” but we do it because it’s easier than saying “the reflected light from this object affects the rods / cones in my eyes in a particular way, and consistently across humans.”
Commenter mike, yeah I’ll play You’ll lose. But you won’t believe it, so there’s no point until you learn to listen for real. You look at paintings or drawings you think of as Jesus and you think they are real. You ignore the many flaws in these holy books, because it’s easier to believe them than do the real work. Logic has already figured out that the creationist view doesn’t work as science. It’s just stragglers that still need to get up to speed with the real scientists. Many wont’ because again, science isn’t as interesting and has a higher “entrance fee” than blanket creationist statements.
One last thing, I don’t criticize loving good compassionate people and some of the writing in the bible teaches forms of compassion and thoughtfulness. Some of the bible gives us a body of real knowledge. Much of it unfortunately does not.
It’s science we have to protect and teach. We need to pass on facts to future generations. If you want to teach something different without basis in your own home, I can’t stop you, but I’m not paying for it with my tax dollars.
I’d like to point out that evolution cannot become a law. Not because it’s somehow unprovable, but rather because theories do not become laws. Laws in science tell us What something is. Theories in science describe how it works. For example, the law of gravity indicates that objects orbit each other in space, and we are attracted to the planet because of gravity. The theory of gravitation (actually, there are several theories) is a way to describe how gravity works. Likewise, evolution is a Theory. And having read as much of the literature on it as I can get my hands on, evolution (specifically, natural selection) seems to be the only serious, scientifically-based Theory, and science’s best explanation for how lifeforms change over time (which is the known fact being described).
I am an Evangelical Lutheran, and attend church regularly. And my faith doesn’t interfere with my acceptance of the Theory of Natural Selection. Would not an intelligent God create the creatures of the Earth in such a way that they could adapt over time as the environment shifted? I feel that a strict creationist viewpoint has to go out of its way to reject a great deal of scientific information, and science should be just one more way for people to find the wonders of how the world works, whether that is the craziness of the universe, or the hand of God at work.
The Bible says Earth was created in 6 days… it is a FACT it is billions of years old a fucking FACT! The term “Day” is used on numerous accounts referring to one cycle of night and day. If the Bible is wrong than it can’t be the word of god.
The Bible contains 668 historically proven predictions. so if the bible is a big lie, then how do “liars” predict the future so accurately? and the bible also says there will be many deceived by satan who say god is not real and there is alot of dat going on especially here.
I hope God finds in himself to bless ya all
What the fuck is wrong with u ppl. people who believe in creationism don’t understand how science works, and people who believe in god are scared of things they don’t understand. creationists are idiots…..
There is not now nor has there ever been evidence of evolution, that is why it is called a THEORY. There IS evidence of GODs creation and it CAN be backed up. You for example. God bless the USA
Darwin wrote that his travels had led him to “Firm belief in the existence of God, and in the immortality of the soul.”
Note to all ya liberals and fa*s
You people are idiots. It makes me laugh at the stupidity that I see on this article. You things probably did come from monkeys, or maybe I gave you too much credit- slime. Without Creation there would be no science. MORONS
Good episode. The fact that “Intelligent Design” is even remotely considered a science to anyone is truly saddening.
I don’t think that creationists believe in stars.
Almost every star is more then eight thousand (or whatever they think) light years away. This means that if the universe were only 8000 years old, then none of the light from the vast majority of stars would have been able to reach us yet. The sky would be black.
My only question to GoColts is, where did you get the idea that Creation brought about science? Please explain that little sentence of yours, I would be interested to hear it. Also, to Chris above, it’s been known for a while now that the Bible has been edited. All the people would have to do is, after the event happened, change the Bible to ‘fit’ the event, making it prophetic. Please, you think that this book came directly from the alleged authors? At the time, the only people with the ability to write was the priests, which they weren’t. As such, this means that dozens if not more hands have spent the time writing it, bringing in the idea of changing it because it does not fit what the current religious leader believes. Please, I want you to come to me with your evidence refuting mine. Thank you.
“The best creationist can offer are baseless assertions, strawman arguments, circular logic and sarcasm and personal attacks. ”
Funny how that turned out to be such a true prophecy… Hmm, is ‘Mike’ actually the Arch-Angle and heard that directly from God?!?!
Ever contemplate… Maybe it was actually Satan that wrote the bible (and the Torah, and the Koran, just to mess with us all), with the entire purpose being to deceive mankind? Science is testable and provable, and thus the *ONLY* truth we have. If God wants us to know the truth, wouldn’t he (she?) give us, I don’t know, the capacity of intellect to figure it out for ourselves (science!)? And if anyone wanted to deceive us away from God’s word (science!), I’m thinking religion’s a great way to do it!
That’s an idea, but let’s not get too disparaging here…….As I mentioned, it would be more interesting listening to what the creationists have to say about this. Plus, the assertion that science is God’s word is based off the assumption that Science supports the existence of such a higher being, which it doesn’t.
Fair enough.
How about all the folks who don’t believe in evolution don’t get to drive (cars are powered by dead, liquid dinosaurs that died millions of years ago)? Or maybe you don’t see the starlight that takes millions of years to reach earth. Or maybe your god is such a bastard that he gives contradictory evidence.
If your god is such a bastard as to openly lie to you, why would you worship him? You could just worship me, and I’ll kill your loved ones and promise not to answer your prayers, too. Plus, I talk back.
How do you people get around on a daily basis?
Dude, calm down…..Geez, and you wonder why these people get so worked up…Anyway, they might not think that. We have learned that the starlight takes millions of years, but what about those people who never took Astronomy and learned that? You have to remember, people grew up in different households, so just stop with the “I’m such a bastard because I’m right”, you’re sounding just like the people who are making this argument even worse than it should be.
The bible says that God created the earth in 6 days. And that there was no death before Adam’s sin. God created life to reproduce after “it’s kind”. Evolution is contrary to scripture and therefore contrary to the word of God.
The earth and life did not appear by chance. It was designed by a designer. Creation demands a Creator. This is a view that should not be suppressed because many people prefer to believe in evolution. This isn’t religion it is another view point. Creationists simply want the possibility that the Universe was Created by an intelligent being. There is design in the universe.
Alchmey can already be discussed in school. So can Geocentrism (modern term) and be disproved(neither is “supported by th Bible”". The possibility that everything we see is not here by chance but by design should be allowed to be discussed.
A real scientist knows. A fake scientist believes. In my opinion Science and Religion can not be both right. Science starts from Observation and then run test. Religion starts from a belief in God/Bible then tries to Prove it with itself.
@ Rational animal: The difference between a scientist who believes that everything we see was created by God just as the bible says and a scientist that does not is how they interpret the evidence. Both are scientists. One believes life was designed one by blind chance.
It is obvious that life and what we observe in “Creation” has been designed. “One cell, has 100,000 molecules and 10,000 intricately interrelated chemical reactions going on at one time. Cells couldn’t arise by chance”. Creation needs a Creator.
@ Robert:
Evolution method: Here’s the evidence now let’s reach a conclusion. Creation method: Here’s the conclusion now let’s find the evidence
I believe in God, and I believe that evolution did happen. I just have question that has always boggled my mind……..If we’ve evolved, then why are their still monkeys and gorillas, and apes, and other primates still being born?
I believe in Creationism. Plus I believe that lighting isn’t created by charged particles that scientist hacks call “electrons”. Lighting is made by God’s brother, Zeus, who throws them at people who have sinned. This must be taught at our schools!
ROFL Brandon.
Well if there are PS3’s then why are there still PS1’s and PS2’s?
@Jennifer: You didn’t descend from an ape, you share a common ancestor
Robert, as you mentioned, there are a huge amount of cells and very intricate chemical reactions. Then why, if this was created, does mutations pop up within populations? Most disorders have been founded to have originated somewhere within a defect of the genes. Does this mean that the Creator intentionally allowed some cells to have flaws while others are flawless? Just wondering about that.
@ Robert: somebody asked earlier creationnists to bring any type of evidence for creationism. Please do. Because just saying “it is obvious that life has a creator” is not a proof. It’s just an opinion. Just because I believe the Rockets are the best team in the NBA doesn’t make it true. It’s just my opinion (and it’s biased, I know
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Just saying “life didn’t occur by chance” is a complete misunderstanding of evolution. It’s not chance, evolution has absolutely nothing to do with chance. It’s changes over time that lead to survival of the fittest.
@ Jennifer: there are monkeys and apes, but they also evolved from the common ancestor they shared with us. We did not evolve from monkeys, we share a common ancestor with them.
It is a known fact that the Bible has changed over time. It has been translated through several languages and modified with the changes in the languages themselves. So in a sense the Bible has……..Wait for it……..evolved! The Bible has been adapted to changing times so doesent it make sense that if god made his word adaptable he would also make life adaptable? I personally believe in God and evolution. I dont see any contradiction there. The problems only arise if you take certain versons of the bible literally. Whether or not the bible was written originally by the hand of god it has changed dramatically over time by the hand of man (there is plenty of irrefutable evidence for this, ask any biblical archaeologist). Therefore it seems silly, to say the least, to take the modern Bible literally word for word. God gave us the tools, its up to us to use them.
Justin, I like your thought. If only everyone else thought that way. Unfortunately, the people in the video above seem to view things in terms of literally 7 days. Again, well said.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071208-more-shots-fired-in-the-war-on-science.html
Texas Education Agency’s Director of Science has been forced out of her job for allegedly not “remaining neutral” over the teaching of evolution in schools. Christine Comer, a former science teacher, had her nine-year stint as Director of Science ended as a result of an e-mail she sent to colleagues, notifying them of an upcoming talk being given by Barbara Forrest. Forrest is the author of Inside Creationism’s Trojan Horse, a book that details the movement to have ID taught as science in America’s Schools.
I live in New England, more specifically New Hampshire and can’t believe that people in this day and age (in the USA) are still debating over the validity of evolution versus creationist theory. The fossil record speaks very clearly as to what’s been going on for millions of years (not six thousand years). Come on people wake up. You can have your religion and evolution too. Just don’t confuse one with the other. Anybody who can’t see what’s going on here must be so blinded by misguided faith. These are the same sorts of folks who blow themselves up in the Middle East thinking that there’s 72 virgins waiting for them in the after life because they’ve sacrificed themselves for Allah in the war against the “infidels”. Yeah, good luck with that.
Anyman, you are so god damned stupid it is unbelievable. Christina, your article is absolutely right. Let’s face it anyman, the only reason that you and your unilaterally minded buddies are opposed to evolution is because of the fact that if its true, we must’ve evolved from monkeys, you don’t give a flying fuck about its scientific merit. You are also so hollow minded as to believe that if one fucking thing in your belief structure is wrong, the whole thing is. How fucking stupid can you assholes be. Take a page out of science and evolve your beliefs. It’s not so hard to do that now is it. If we never changed our beliefs, we’d still be slaveholders, we’d hang people on suspicion of witchcraft, and the Earth would be the center of the universe. Learn to accept that things change, and live with those changes, if you don’t, you will fall behind in the world and your species will become extinct. Learn also to accept that just because something is unscientific, it doesn’t mean it isn’t true, just that it can’t be proven. Evolve, you fucksticks.
Another point, god can’t be disproven atheists. So stop trying to disprove the unprovable. And god isn’t the real cause of these wars, it’s all about money. And the crusades were just to kill off all the knights to prevent an uprising, so don’t site that either. Fundamentalists, grow a brain, learn your science, and accept that you can’t prove anything. Stop trying to shove your 6,000 year old earth agenda down our throats and leave our constitution alone. Also, Bush is a moron, so stop defending him. I know that’s irrelevant, but the man is so fucking stupid. He has no business leading us. Also, Clinton was a moron, and whoever the next president is will likely be a moron. Learn to accept science and religion can coexist, you pretentious cocks!
As any atheist knows, attempting to disprove god is pretty much impossible. The only grounds are philosophical, since god “exists outside time and space.” Most of us have already give up on this.
As for Robert: EVOLUTION is not CHANCE. It is the OPPOSITE of chance. No scientist can stress this enough. Chance is when something happens out of the blue randomly. Evolution is the accumulation of non-random growth and mutation of something over a period of time into something more complex. Each stage happens for a precise reason: almost none is by chance.
And just to point out: anyone looking to bash the garbage said in the first post should note that it was anyman who said it, not Mike.
It was so sweet to see Penn and Teller hiring
out to the Chi-com goons to promote genocide in Tibet…
Thoroughly disgusting…
I suppose Mao was also right raping little girls daily
and murdering hundred of millions of people.
Penn and Teller, you are no better than Hitler’s nazis
and fellow communists Stalin, Mao and Castro.
Fuck you two nazi creeps with
a broken bottle!!!
Ironic as Buddhists are fellow agnostics, not believing
in either God or devil…
But Penn and Teller are genocidal maniacs, a subtle
difference…
Wait wait, where the hell did you get your idea from?
Yes..I got something to say…Leave me alone and do not try to save me please. If you guys believe in a god, and makes you feel good..then good for you. If you think the big book you call the bible is the holly word of god to you, ok, that s fine, but…Le-ave-me -a-lone with your religions prothecies, and stuff. Muslims christians, dianetists, anestesists, jehovah witnesses lutherians martyrs and santa klaus believers, We gonna all die one day and will see an afterlife or no afterlife. life is here and now anyway, after we call that death. period.
So in a couple of years when the Harry Potter generation grow up if enough of them interpret the books as fact and not fiction and feel they need to oppress other peoples freedom perhaps all our children will be taught HP101 (the new science) woohoo.
Believe whatever you like, but please learn to differentiate – fact != fiction and your belief != my belief. There are catholic schools your children can attend and they teach whatever you pay them to teach. Don’t force children in the public system to accept your doctrine, it alienates people of other religions who also attend public schools.
Any ideas why public schools do not teach any other religious doctrine. What about the tooth fairy and easter bunny, I want the fact that my easter eggs get hidden in the garden by a giant bunny rabbit taught as science also – when I was a child I vehemently believed it, given the creationist argument – if I believe it and the eggs in fact are to be found in the bottom of the garden then it must be a scientific fact. Oh oh, and a black cat crossed my path yesterday and I stubbed my toe – black cat = bad luck = stubbed toe = science.
The possibilities are endless. Read about Russel’s Teapot – I could go on and on…but I am stopping now to pray.
The Theory of Evolution is in fact not a theory. It is called a theory out of formality because theories can be corrected (unlike religious doctrines). In fact, the “evolutionnary theory” relates to the theory that we are descendants of apes, which is an idea (a very solidly backed one), not to evolution as a whole.
Evolution is a fact. It can and has been proven in laboratories and it can be seen all around us. It’s why whales and snakes have pelvic girdles and remenants of claws, but no hips, arms or legs to make use of them, it’s why humans have a coccyx: most (if not all) sea mammals descended from four-legged land-based mammals and humans used to have a tail.
Would your perfect creator give a pelvis to a snake and screw up the layer order in the human eye just for kicks?
30. Answering a Scoffer or Skeptic: We often hear from such people. Some have hardened hearts, others, although deceived, may listen to the Truth. I try to briefly respond to them. Here is an example:
Email number 1 of 2 from “Jim”: I can’t believe some of the claims you make in the videos on your website. To see such things makes me doubt that you are even human because a chimpanzee could make better conclusions. I don’t know if there is a negative impact to BLATANTLY SPEWING GARBAGE FROM YOUR MOUTH, but I cant help but be horribly enraged by the things you say. The Bible does NOT need to be taken literally. Its not right for you to tell people you’re horribly undereducated opinion. It would be kind of me to lay out all of your mistakes but I don’t have a lifetime to spend correcting your mistakes. I was watching your video just to see what kind of ridiculous things you said. It is a shame that people listen to you when you are COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY WRONG. WOW My response, number 1 of 2: Speaking of “horribly uneducated opinions”, thanks for your email. I do not normally respond to a person who fails to identify him or herself, but your email was so full of hate that I decided to point out that you point out ZERO mistakes or non-truths. I say you have none. I’ve spoken in college debates and on college campuses many times. Never has a mistake or non-truth been pointed out. If you know of one, please advise. Russ Second Emails (blended together): Russ emailed back: -Jim, these are excellent questions. Millions of people, including many in churches, have the same questions and this is the reason for CESM. Our seminars answer each of these questions in more detail but I have responded briefly below. Jim emailed: My names Jim. I’m a Physics Major. I don’t feel there was any hate in my email. R- We’ll let the first email go. J- Honestly, I can’t point out specific errors with any contradictory proof R- I knew that, just wanted you to see it. J- I can say I think to say every animal evolved from what noah had on the ark is ridiculous. R- It is much more viable to think animals adapted from other animals on the ark than to claim they evolved from non-living chemicals as Darwinism teaches. J- I can ask you why dinosaurs aren’t here today. R- Most couldn’t survive the post-flood loss of climate and habitat. The word dinosaur was invented 165 years ago, prior to that they were called dragons. Recent finds of their bones containing soft tissues and blood cells attest to the fact they haven’t been gone long. J- I can ask where all the water came from that covered the earth. R- From the fountains of the deep which erupted. J- You seem to think that the entire earth flooded. R- Geologic compression events, polystrata fossils, (see C-14 evidence below) and much more attest to this fact. J- Theres not enough water to flood the entire earth. R- 71% of the earth’s surface is covered by water. If the earth were flat the water would be almost 2 miles deep. Plenty of water. J- Darwin OBSERVED natural selection and adaption,(a completely fair concept) R- And Biblically sound as kinds bring forth after their kind. J- and THEORIZED natural selection as a method of macro evolution. R-This is where he went wrong. Macro has never been observed (one kind changing into a different kind). Although the DNA code barrier, gene depletion, Law of Entropy, etc., show macro is impossible, the key issue is where did the genetic information come from to cause the change? Natural selection acts on pre-existing traits. And no, not by mutations, as falsely taught today (Neo-Darwinism). Mutations are caused by the loss of data, never by the creation of new and beneficial data. J- If the world was 6000-8000 years old, I would disagree with darwin. If it was a billion years old, I would say his theory is likely. R-Thus the importance of the global flood which destroys all old earth beliefs. J- How do you account for scientific aging methods like carbon dating. R-Measurable C-14 should be gone in about 50,000 years (most scientists agree). Yet all the fossil bearing layers, down to the supposed 600 million year old Cambrian have C-14 in them, and in the same range of amounts! This proves the layers formed recently and in the same event. Only a global flood can explain this, destroying all old earth beliefs. J- Thank you for reading this. R- Jim, thanks for your interest. Hang in there and seek the Truth. I will pray that God will show it to you. God bless, Russ
Note: I will disregard comments that are not constructive. Such as name calling, insults, or other. Please intelligently and mindfully direct your comments. Thank you, and yes, God bless.
~Andy R.
I remember going to a few of this guy’s seminars. Very interesting! Check it out sometime for some very good answers!
~Andy R.
A brilliant dissertation from the perpetually ignorant camp of religious dogma. Your comments are ignorant and baseless. The best creationist can offer are baseless assertions, strawman arguments, circular logic and sarcasm and personal attacks. Please provide evidence for creation. The whole world is waiting. Perhaps you also need to review the judges summary for the Dover trial.
Mike, sure you’re not talking about your above “argument”?
Wow, talk about “baseless” and “ad hominem.” Which apparently you don’t know the meaning of. And the left insists on praising itself as tolerant.
“Fata Ku”
Go back and reread this article. The author went to great lengths to explain why and how evolution is just a theory as Darwin himself said. Darwin also said that if no transitional fossils were found in the future his theory could be disproven.
What you are going on about are loose and vague examples of what could be shown to support a theory-not proove it as fact. The fact that no legitimate trasitional fossils have been found in over a hundred years since Darwin could also be said to discredit evolution as a theory! As the author stated, once again, it is in the nature of a scientific theory and science that it cannot be proven a fact.
BTW, I am an agnostic, and labeling me a religious fanatic doesn’t make ideas you don’t like go away.